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Hey everyone, I've been playing X4 for months now, usually on weekends as I don't work then. I'm pretty far into the game, so I think I've seen and learned almost everything an average player should know. However, one thing bothered me from the start - automatic trading. Once you've gone to mid or late game, you have many trading ships under control. Manually issuing orders to each one is crazy unless you like having your game paused constantly. I've reached the point where I'm sitting idle docked for hours with map open, saving ships from pirates or Xenon, defending multiple fronts from invaders, trading, managing stations...after a while, it feels like a job. You can't expect me as a CEO to handle trivial tasks. I'm CEO because I've done that already, now I want to do greater things. But, I can't, I can't depend on my employees. Master pilot (with mod for quick leveling) can auto trade only between a few sectors. Ok, mods then...TaterTrader and Mules. Mules are not really for general trading, but oriented towards my stations. Not what I need. TaterTrader doesn't work, it seems. I've even tested it on the simplest case, standing between small factory and a wharf which that factory supplies, guaranteed profit, set to trade in that sector only...and it keeps searching for trades forever. What is so hard about auto trading? If it takes me 5 seconds to zoom out, see the best prices in the galaxy and make a deal without using my brain, why can't AI do it? Why only 5 sectors? Why all the waiting and searching? There are obviously variables in the code containing the current lowest and highest prices at each zoom level on every part of the map. There is obviously code for finding and showing those prices instantly. Why can't AI use it? Besides this, I've noticed that sometimes the lowest price shown at galaxy level is higher than the lowest price at some other zoom level. I have modded advanced satellites in each sector, so I see all prices in the galaxy in real time... Without good auto trade, station management is also pain, especially as we don't have any detailed insight in profitability of our stations, where they are buying from, are they buying at the best price possible or missing good deals etc. Also, why only 5 trade offers are shown...can I increase that somehow? Thanks!
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Current setup: - I currently own a sector. This is all in one sector.- I have a lot of trader ships, on numerous levels, with the mod it just requires level 0 pilot.- I have factories that make energy cells, quantum tubes, graphene, alot of the other needed stuff. Im basically supplying my own stuff.- For your test, just stick to energy cells only for now.- No reason why this wouldn't work in someone elses sector if you haven't got that far in the game yet.
We need to make a black list trade under global orders, set a black list and black list all other factions, we will need this later. I named mine Blacklist1
make sure your trade ship is in your sector, it could derp.
You should have the right mods installed, so under default behaviour on Trader 1 you will want M4 Supply Mule.
Select the sector / home. sector is fine, dont need to assign to a factory, because later we will be supplying multiple resources.
Maximum Jumps set to 0, You dont want them wondering off. But the blacklist trade stops them going out sector anyways.
Allow build storage, Allow resources, Allow intermediates (no idea what this one is), Allow tradewares (no idea what this is). Some of these options dont make sense, but I have this all working.
Lock Wares to user selection, dont let AI choose. Our first test will just be energy cells, when you are happy you can add more when you have monitored it and happy.
Player mod needs to be 0, I learnt this recently, having this as default made my traders "search for trades" soon as this was 0 it all started working. This basically buys and sells at any price for yourself.
Still on trader 1 options, goto Individual Instructions, at the bottom, Change trade restrictions to Blacklist1 we made in step 1. This is important as I noticed my bloody traders starting to go out sector and start selling me preciousness treasures off.
This is just the bonus, and requires the civil fleets mod above. Since you have 1 trader working, click on your second trader, then right click on trader one, and add to trader commander. it will inherit all orders and restrictions from trader 1. All I do now, is buy ships, add them to trader1's group and it all falls into place, I haven't monitored this over hours, but lets see.
One reason why the traders wont actually start distributing is you need to make sure the station that is receiving the energy cells, you need to have a buy offer in there. On a new station I would forget to add this and wonder why it werent working. Price and quantity dont matter.
It also may not work if you dont have a station manager, so keep eye on that.
Also make sure you have "User trader settings".
I noticed my traders were not really sharing resources to much needed stations, but I had the trade quantity set to manual, so it wanted to fill it up, now I have it set to auto on all factories, the storage that is, it should prioritise
Hopefully you got to around point 9 and it is all singing and dancing, but the others are just extra bits I believe. Other Notes - - I would suggest using combat engines3 for traders in same sector because they are not doing long travel and run around fast. I have travel engines 3 on more than 5 sector travel. - All you need to do now is add resources one at a time, so Graphene, Super cooliant, whatever. That is it. I wanted to be very specific as I get annoyed when I try something a user suggests and it doesn't work, after HOURS I finally am happy. I was doing all this manually and I have 20 factories in my sector.
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